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		<title>By: sandrar</title>
		<link>http://shirleywho.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/a-challenge-out-of-science-blogging-2008-encouraging-senior-scientists-to-blog/#comment-1236</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! I was surfing and found your blog post... nice! I love your blog.  :) Cheers! Sandra. R.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! I was surfing and found your blog post&#8230; nice! I love your blog.  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Cheers! Sandra. R.</p>
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		<title>By: shwu</title>
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		<dc:creator>shwu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments, all! 

@rpg: I agree! (whatever makes the judges happy...)

@Jim: I&#039;ve been finding that there&#039;s been a pretty good mix of industry and academia in the open science arena. Obviously a lot of open science principles go against industry motivations but at the same time there are some new business models based on concepts that are common in open science talk - CollabRx, for example, and the increasing focus on open collaboration to solve global problems in biomedicine. Plus developments like PatientsLikeMe and Google Health. As far as industry blogs go, I don&#039;t follow very many but the 23andMe blog does a pretty good job of sharing thoughts and science without directly advertising their product for the most part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments, all! </p>
<p>@rpg: I agree! (whatever makes the judges happy&#8230;)</p>
<p>@Jim: I&#8217;ve been finding that there&#8217;s been a pretty good mix of industry and academia in the open science arena. Obviously a lot of open science principles go against industry motivations but at the same time there are some new business models based on concepts that are common in open science talk &#8211; CollabRx, for example, and the increasing focus on open collaboration to solve global problems in biomedicine. Plus developments like PatientsLikeMe and Google Health. As far as industry blogs go, I don&#8217;t follow very many but the 23andMe blog does a pretty good job of sharing thoughts and science without directly advertising their product for the most part.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Building confidence&#8221; in blogging &#171; I was lost but now I live here</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Building confidence&#8221; in blogging &#171; I was lost but now I live here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I mentioned last week, my advisor is always up for a challenge. After I told him about the senior scientist [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jim H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things I found interesting about SciFoo (and BioBarCamp for that matter), was how dominant academia was vs Industry (the Evil Empire).  I think both parties will benefit by having a better mix of the two.  Funny thing is that a lot of time Industry blogging = advertising/marketing instead of just sharing thoughts and ideas.

I don&#039;t have any answers, just observations.  Great post Shirley...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things I found interesting about SciFoo (and BioBarCamp for that matter), was how dominant academia was vs Industry (the Evil Empire).  I think both parties will benefit by having a better mix of the two.  Funny thing is that a lot of time Industry blogging = advertising/marketing instead of just sharing thoughts and ideas.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any answers, just observations.  Great post Shirley&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rpg</title>
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		<dc:creator>rpg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I should get to go to SciFoo for coming up with the challenge idea... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I should get to go to SciFoo for coming up with the challenge idea&#8230; <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Science in the open &#187; Science blogging challenge goes live</title>
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		<dc:creator>Science in the open &#187; Science blogging challenge goes live</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 08:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I mentioned yesterday and Shirley Wu picked up on, the final session of Science Blogging 2008 offered a challenge to the audience (and to anyone [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#160; Business,Education,Science,Uncategorized &#124; Science needs a bigger role in Canada&#8217;s food safety policy&#160;&#8212;&#160;Recycle Email</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#160; Business,Education,Science,Uncategorized &#124; Science needs a bigger role in Canada&#8217;s food safety policy&#160;&#8212;&#160;Recycle Email</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A challenge out of Science Blogging 2008 - encouraging senior &#8230; By shwu  Recently, a lot of people in the life sciences (at least those who have an online presence) have been talking about how the current academic system needs to change. Impact factors, peer-review, the traditional system for evaluating &#8230; I was lost but now I live here - http://shirleywho.wordpress.com/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A challenge out of Science Blogging 2008 &#8211; encouraging senior &#8230; By shwu  Recently, a lot of people in the life sciences (at least those who have an online presence) have been talking about how the current academic system needs to change. Impact factors, peer-review, the traditional system for evaluating &#8230; I was lost but now I live here &#8211; <a href="http://shirleywho.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://shirleywho.wordpress.com/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: shwu</title>
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		<dc:creator>shwu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bjoern: Ha! Unfortunately I think the panel will be on to your tricks. ;) Good luck with the jobs - hoping for good news in a few days!

@Duncan &amp; Graham: I think Graham&#039;s points are good ones - whoever you target needs to be either web savvy or approachable (and willing to try new things) enough to make them amenable to the idea, if not both. But if you can get someone who&#039;s never used the web for anything other than browsing and email I think it could be an even bigger win (of course, someone may have to play IT guy for a while). Other than that, I don&#039;t know who specifically to target, except perhaps heads of departments, PIs with high profile grants or appointments, PIs who are &quot;cutting edge&quot; in meat space but perhaps not yet in virtual space, who you think would be receptive?

@Chris: Thanks for the comment and the plug! I can see what you&#039;re saying about the landscape &quot;de-flattening&quot;. There will always be blogs that are more popular than others by all sorts of criteria, but I think that the road to recognition is much more open - blogs come up very frequently on web searches, you can easily advertise your own simply by joining a FriendFeed room and sharing your feed, and if your posts are well-written and engaging then they will be passed around on those grounds alone. I guess my point is that it is relatively easy to be &quot;found&quot; these days, even with millions of blogs. Hopefully that won&#039;t change anytime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bjoern: Ha! Unfortunately I think the panel will be on to your tricks. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Good luck with the jobs &#8211; hoping for good news in a few days!</p>
<p>@Duncan &amp; Graham: I think Graham&#8217;s points are good ones &#8211; whoever you target needs to be either web savvy or approachable (and willing to try new things) enough to make them amenable to the idea, if not both. But if you can get someone who&#8217;s never used the web for anything other than browsing and email I think it could be an even bigger win (of course, someone may have to play IT guy for a while). Other than that, I don&#8217;t know who specifically to target, except perhaps heads of departments, PIs with high profile grants or appointments, PIs who are &#8220;cutting edge&#8221; in meat space but perhaps not yet in virtual space, who you think would be receptive?</p>
<p>@Chris: Thanks for the comment and the plug! I can see what you&#8217;re saying about the landscape &#8220;de-flattening&#8221;. There will always be blogs that are more popular than others by all sorts of criteria, but I think that the road to recognition is much more open &#8211; blogs come up very frequently on web searches, you can easily advertise your own simply by joining a FriendFeed room and sharing your feed, and if your posts are well-written and engaging then they will be passed around on those grounds alone. I guess my point is that it is relatively easy to be &#8220;found&#8221; these days, even with millions of blogs. Hopefully that won&#8217;t change anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Science blogging: Shirley a worthwhile activity &#171; Ouroboros</title>
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		<dc:creator>Science blogging: Shirley a worthwhile activity &#171; Ouroboros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#124; &#160;  Over at her new consolidated blog I was lost but now I live here, Shirley Wu has a thoughtful piece about the coming changes in academic publishing, the institutional disincentives against engaging [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ouroboros</title>
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		<dc:creator>ouroboros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Shirley; I just linked from Ouroboros. 

I&#039;m very nearly entirely in agreement. I do take issue with the idea that blogging is entirely egalitarian -- certainly, the barrier to entry is low, but as the enterprise develops I find that we&#039;re finding ways to &quot;de-flatten&quot; the landscape. 

One may be judged &quot;by the quality of your writing and of your ideas&quot;, but one is only judged when readers are able to find one&#039;s writing in the first place. And when I look at the link structure of science blogging, and how distorted something like Seed&#039;s ScienceBlogs has made that, I can&#039;t help but feel that we&#039;re taking this great tool and finding ways to recapitulate the inhomogeneity and &quot;prestige&quot;-based structure (and here I mean &quot;prestige&quot; in a sense that does not necessarily connote reputation based on direct observation of quality) of standard publishing. We don&#039;t compute impact factors but we do live and die by things like page rank, Technorati score, and other things that might originally have had something to do with quality but now have everything to do with the structures people are creating around science blogging.

Not sure what to do about that, but it gets under my skin a bit, so I thought I&#039;d vent. 

My main point, though, was to congratulate you on a thoughtful and provocative post. I&#039;ll be passing it around for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Shirley; I just linked from Ouroboros. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m very nearly entirely in agreement. I do take issue with the idea that blogging is entirely egalitarian &#8212; certainly, the barrier to entry is low, but as the enterprise develops I find that we&#8217;re finding ways to &#8220;de-flatten&#8221; the landscape. </p>
<p>One may be judged &#8220;by the quality of your writing and of your ideas&#8221;, but one is only judged when readers are able to find one&#8217;s writing in the first place. And when I look at the link structure of science blogging, and how distorted something like Seed&#8217;s ScienceBlogs has made that, I can&#8217;t help but feel that we&#8217;re taking this great tool and finding ways to recapitulate the inhomogeneity and &#8220;prestige&#8221;-based structure (and here I mean &#8220;prestige&#8221; in a sense that does not necessarily connote reputation based on direct observation of quality) of standard publishing. We don&#8217;t compute impact factors but we do live and die by things like page rank, Technorati score, and other things that might originally have had something to do with quality but now have everything to do with the structures people are creating around science blogging.</p>
<p>Not sure what to do about that, but it gets under my skin a bit, so I thought I&#8217;d vent. </p>
<p>My main point, though, was to congratulate you on a thoughtful and provocative post. I&#8217;ll be passing it around for sure.</p>
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